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. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> but why doesn't the market care? let's find out right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's time square, i'm melissa lee. here are tonight's top three trades. solving the apple mystery. want to know what's behind apple's troubles this week? we here at "fast" have gotten to the bottom of the selloff. we'll tell you what it means. plus, freeport fizzles. the fine print on why the company's two big buys are raising big red flags. >>> and nat gas revolution, the government says exporting nat gas could be a game changer for america's economy, but at what cost? we'll take a deeper dive to find some answers. but first, our top story tonight. >>> everyone cares about the fiscal cliff, except, seemingly, the markets. just 25 days until the year end deadline and still no deal out of washington. still stocks quietly climb higher. the dow closing today at a one-month high. what gives? just an assumption that a deal -- >> it almost gets back to that you never short. we're all waiting for some type of closu
. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> but why doesn't the market care? let's find out right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's time square, i'm melissa lee. here are tonight's top three trades. solving the apple mystery. want to know what's behind apple's troubles this week? we here at "fast" have gotten to the bottom of the selloff. we'll tell you what it means. plus, freeport fizzles....
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going off that fiscal cliff. to this point most of the conversation has been focused on what happens in january, and for good reason. there's no deal in congress. tax rates go up for a lot of folks, all americans. and a $1.2 trillion worth of defense and spending cuts will be automatically enacted. excuse me, that fiscal cough i told you about. the alternative minimum tax kicks in and put it all together and the results are pretty. the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do willingly, make dramatic changes in taxes and spending. if those changes happen automatically,
going off that fiscal cliff. to this point most of the conversation has been focused on what happens in january, and for good reason. there's no deal in congress. tax rates go up for a lot of folks, all americans. and a $1.2 trillion worth of defense and spending cuts will be automatically enacted. excuse me, that fiscal cough i told you about. the alternative minimum tax kicks in and put it all together and the results are pretty. the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013....
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here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. a lot of people say if we go over, we're going to see dividend taxes go to 44% next year. do i really want a special dividend now if in a few weeks or in a month it's going to be an issue for me because i've got a 44% tax bill? >> i think you buy dividend stocks here. based on everything i'm reading, it seems like the white house, the democrats are willing to give up the high-dividend tax rate to get something. it seems like that's the first thing they're going to be flexible on. maybe the rate goes 20 to 25%. i don't think you see high 40s. >> that's capital gains. 15% is dividends, right? >> dividends. >> where does that go? >> i think the dividend tax rate, some people will believe it will go up significantly. i think the white house, at least on dividend gains, is going to be very flexible. i don't think you see the rate higher than 25%. >> if that happens, i think you'll probably not see a flood of companies move those dividends forward. if it's 43%, you'll see a flood going from
here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. a lot of people say if we go over, we're going to see dividend taxes go to 44% next year. do i really want a special dividend now if in a few weeks or in a month it's going to be an issue for me because i've got a 44% tax bill? >> i think you buy dividend stocks here. based on everything i'm reading, it seems like the white house, the democrats are willing to give up the high-dividend tax rate to get something. it seems like that's the first...
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the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >> exextremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. >> it didn't work. now their talking points. >> we are significantly troubled. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today. >> democrats shot back. >> they are not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they are trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> i've seen so much crazy stuff in this house could i write a book. >> or make an internet video. >> not be a true god-fearing person and be on a television show like that. >> that's actor angus t. jones, the "two and a half men" star caught slamming his own tv show. >> if you watch "two and a half men," please don't watch "two a
the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >>...
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in the midst, and we'll talk about the fiscal cliff in a minute, about the midst of the fiscal cliff and who's doing what, this is a huge news story, dropped on capitol hill that seemed to take everybody by surprise. what's the reaction up there. >> reporter: the pieces that are less sprying look at the fact that republicans failed to reclaim majority, that always has an influence on how much power senators think they have if they're among the minority. jim demint said he would not seek another term. at some point there was a plan for him to forecast his future. the timing of doing it right now certainly caught people by surprise. but it also is a point where it tells you that he feels comfortable that the voice of objection on some things has been the seed has been filled here. he's got a mike lee of utah, rand paul of kentucky, who can fill some of the void that he would be leaving. it really is also, perhaps, good news for someone like mitch mcconnell, he can with his own reelections coming up not have the counterweight of jim demint's considerable presence within the chamber. so
in the midst, and we'll talk about the fiscal cliff in a minute, about the midst of the fiscal cliff and who's doing what, this is a huge news story, dropped on capitol hill that seemed to take everybody by surprise. what's the reaction up there. >> reporter: the pieces that are less sprying look at the fact that republicans failed to reclaim majority, that always has an influence on how much power senators think they have if they're among the minority. jim demint said he would not seek...
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you have washington elite chanting fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, hoping to convince republicans to do something stupid because the alternative would be going off the fiscal cliff. it is and of people, the very people trying to bully us now. all you have to say is let's break it into 12, 15 foothills, no cliffs. now one by one, solve each of the smaller problem we get to some solutions. you don't have to panic over this i want to confess something. what i outlined for you, i copied from tip o'neil. when he was faced with ronald reagan in 1981, he knew he couldn't beat him in head-to-head negotiating but thought he could preserve the democratic party and welfare state in a long battle of attrition. o'neil who had a ran senate, republican president, used the power of house over and over again to slow the momentum. i think republicans got to understand they are not going to get any good deal from barack obama. he has contempt for them. he shows that on a regular basis. he's a hard-line left winger. they've got to think through the american people have chosen him he's going to be our presi
you have washington elite chanting fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, hoping to convince republicans to do something stupid because the alternative would be going off the fiscal cliff. it is and of people, the very people trying to bully us now. all you have to say is let's break it into 12, 15 foothills, no cliffs. now one by one, solve each of the smaller problem we get to some solutions. you don't have to panic over this i want to confess something. what i outlined for you, i copied from tip...
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thank you. >> next, nancy pelosi answers fiscal cliff questions. this is about 20 minutes. >> good afternoon. i'm here today with my colleague. i invited him here to be with us this afternoon because yesterday i named tim to be the head of the leadership task force of election reform. i believe how we do our policy is directly related to -- it has a direct impact on the policies that we create in congress. our founders risked their lives and liberties and their sacred honor for a government of the many and not government of the money. john larson is the perfect person in that regard. first, i want to talk about the subject at hand. the president has his pen in hand. he is ready to sign the middle class income tax. a similar bill was introduced into the house at that time. since then, we have been asking republican leadership to bring middle income tax cuts to the floor. the clock is ticking. it is important for the tax legislation to happen now. we are calling on the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next wee
thank you. >> next, nancy pelosi answers fiscal cliff questions. this is about 20 minutes. >> good afternoon. i'm here today with my colleague. i invited him here to be with us this afternoon because yesterday i named tim to be the head of the leadership task force of election reform. i believe how we do our policy is directly related to -- it has a direct impact on the policies that we create in congress. our founders risked their lives and liberties and their sacred honor for a...
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both sides seem to be digging in their heels with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff. fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes not by raising rates own the wealthy as the president has demanded. >> we're not insisting on rates out of spite but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't keep borrowing mown and raising taxes and expect the problem to go away. >> with no solution in sight the white house budget is now ordering the pentagon and other an an jencies to finalize their plan to avoid massive spending cuts. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looking to apply additional pressure on at a conference next week. the regime insists they would not use weapons against its people. >> a natural gas tanker arrive
both sides seem to be digging in their heels with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff. fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes not by raising rates own the wealthy as the president has demanded. >> we're not insisting on rates out of spite but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't keep borrowing mown and raising taxes and expect the problem to go away....
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cliff and it's actually not a fiscal cliff, you hear a lot of liberals saying it's a slope. and the world is not going to end if we go over it. now, you won't finds too many people in the administration who agree with that. they worry about the psychology, the markets. and frankly just the drama associated with hitting that deadline and washington's inability to deal with this deadline. they worry about that. but the growing argument on the left, is that the white house shouldn't be so concerned. they should just call the republicans bluff. >> the democrats like to say that they got a mandate out of the last election. but do you think that's true? certainly, it's stronger in the senate for them, but republicans still control the house. >> on this question of letting tax rates for those at the top -- the lower tax rates expire for those at the top, there is a mandate. polling has been consistent for years, and we saw in the exit poll. 60% of voters overall, and more importantly, 80% of obama voters is more unified democratic coalition support letting the tax rates expire. tha
cliff and it's actually not a fiscal cliff, you hear a lot of liberals saying it's a slope. and the world is not going to end if we go over it. now, you won't finds too many people in the administration who agree with that. they worry about the psychology, the markets. and frankly just the drama associated with hitting that deadline and washington's inability to deal with this deadline. they worry about that. but the growing argument on the left, is that the white house shouldn't be so...
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a gop counteroffer on the fiscal cliff is just being released. let's go to e-mailen j amon jav >> they say boehner is offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200 billion. and further discretionary savings of $300 billion. guys, it looks like the horse trading is alive and well here in washington. now this offer being extended from the republicans. you can assume that the white house will not think this is enough tax revenue to go forward, but, of course, offers are being exchanged here so that's a sign negotiations are under way, guys. >> let's get into the details here. $600 billion in health savings. what does that mean for medicare? break it down in terms of where these savings come from. >> i wish i could. what we do
a gop counteroffer on the fiscal cliff is just being released. let's go to e-mailen j amon jav >> they say boehner is offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200...
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fiscal cliff is everywhere. thank you so much. brian shactman. >>> it is not a doung grade to a specific company but downgrade to the european stability mechanism. what is that? that is this big body through which europe borrows bonds. you can see it trading down against the dollar. it means it is more expensive for europe to borrow. not what we need right now. >>> up next, is the u.s. turning to france? a french minister says the u.s. is franchising industry. [ male announcer ] trading's like a high-speed train. and you don't want to miss it with thinkorswim by td ameritrade. you get knock-your-socks-off tools, simple one-click orders, real-time paper trading to hone your skills, plus anytime you need it support. ♪ stocks, options, futures, and forex. get your trading on track. thinkorswim by td ameritrade. trade commission free for 60 days, plus get up to $600 when you open an account. plus get up to $600 if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they
fiscal cliff is everywhere. thank you so much. brian shactman. >>> it is not a doung grade to a specific company but downgrade to the european stability mechanism. what is that? that is this big body through which europe borrows bonds. you can see it trading down against the dollar. it means it is more expensive for europe to borrow. not what we need right now. >>> up next, is the u.s. turning to france? a french minister says the u.s. is franchising industry. [ male announcer...
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this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said he only wanted $800 billion when he was running, now he's doubled it, but there's no cuts. government can't find waste, fraud, abuse, cut back on their intoxication and power grab with spending? >> i agree that medicare is one program that has a lot of fraud. quite frankly the president has been very clear that they're going to be -- >> sean: when? when? >> democrats and republicans will have to suck it up. when you guys call caving in, i call compromise. >> sean: republicans compromise, cave, and -- >> we're not violating the tax pledge if we let somet
this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said...
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cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the things i agree with. >> it will not kill the economy. >> if you do those tax increases it will. >> i want to make sure. this is a little different point. i hear you on the fiscal cliff, howard. i appreciate respect of you as much as i may disagree. what's really at stake here, one of the things at stake here, steve moore, is the idea that changing taxes, for example raising tax rates on capital and dividend and private equity firms and individuals and small business, that that doesn't matter. and what i'm saying is, when you see
cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the...
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ben, what is your fiscal cliff strategy? what do you want to do with your money in the economy does go off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah, we were worried about that back in september, october. so even though we like the equity markets going into 2013, we wanted to hedge ourselves a little bit, so we took money out of equities. didn't just put it into cash. we put it into three areas we think are still good long term. one is we talk about emerging market equities, but i like emerging market debt. these monetary authorities are done tightening. they fought the inflationary problem that they had successfully. they're in hoed. yield curves could shift down. we stress doing it in local currency. the other areas are u.s. high yield, which i still think is valuable. we do think spreads will contract and emerging market equities as well. >> jordan, what about you? how are you preparing for what could be an eventuality where we go over the cliff and we've got to deal with higher taxes and a slower economy? a lot of people expecting reces
ben, what is your fiscal cliff strategy? what do you want to do with your money in the economy does go off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah, we were worried about that back in september, october. so even though we like the equity markets going into 2013, we wanted to hedge ourselves a little bit, so we took money out of equities. didn't just put it into cash. we put it into three areas we think are still good long term. one is we talk about emerging market equities, but i like emerging market...
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i think this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the american government has never defaulted on its debt. and now there are some, not the majority of republicans but some on the extreme of the republican party and they seem to be in control, who seem to want to default on our debt. that's crazy. if they cannot be entrusted with the full faith and credit of the united states, they should not have that leverage. >> paul, where were the overtures though? where were the overtures with this deal that was presented? i mean, listen, you don't have to be mensa to know delivering a deal like that was going to make mitch mcconnell laugh. where were t
i think this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the...
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that's complicating the fiscal cliff discussions. mitch mcconnell yesterday proposed a vote on a measure that would give the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling without congressional input. this is something that the white house has proposed as part of their fiscal cliff proposal. it's a nonstarter for republicans. but he wanted to put it on the floor to show that even democrats don't support giving the president that kind of authority. he did that and harry reid turned around and said, let's see if we can do it with a simple majority for 51 votes and democrats it appeared had made sure they had that and then mitch mcconnell in return ended up objecting to the very thing he propose eed. take a listen. >> now the republican leader objects his own idea. i guess we have a filibuster of his own bill. >> so this was some maneuvering that went on. mitch mcconnell won the day when he proposed a vote overall on the entire fiscal cliff proposal and harry reid objected to it. it's a little bit of a back and forth going on in t
that's complicating the fiscal cliff discussions. mitch mcconnell yesterday proposed a vote on a measure that would give the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling without congressional input. this is something that the white house has proposed as part of their fiscal cliff proposal. it's a nonstarter for republicans. but he wanted to put it on the floor to show that even democrats don't support giving the president that kind of authority. he did that and harry reid turned around...
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subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we see there's no agreement that done involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember it's only 2%. >> former senator alan simpson, co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, choice words and analysis for would-be cliff jumpers. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, wealthy it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is big-time stuff. >> surprising exactly no
subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we...
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more now on the fiscal cliff. one of the industries with the most at stake in the budget debate is the defense industry. in a meeting today in washington, northrop grumman ceo wes bush with a dire warning. >> it would result in across the board cuts to both defense and nondefense accounts. and the interesting thing about this is the cuts are not tied to any military strategy whatsoever. it is completely disconnected from a perspective of strategy. in essence these would be meat axe taken to our national defense budgets. >> let's go straight to the front lines of the issue. task specializes in systems, engineering and integrate. president and ceo david langstaff is with us, among the defense contractors speaking out today in washington. he joins me now on the telephone. sir, good to have on you the program. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. glad to be with you. >> what's the potential fallout for task if we go over the fiscal cliff. how would you navigate this? >> first, it's just terrible policy to go over the
more now on the fiscal cliff. one of the industries with the most at stake in the budget debate is the defense industry. in a meeting today in washington, northrop grumman ceo wes bush with a dire warning. >> it would result in across the board cuts to both defense and nondefense accounts. and the interesting thing about this is the cuts are not tied to any military strategy whatsoever. it is completely disconnected from a perspective of strategy. in essence these would be meat axe taken...
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some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills.
some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain...
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obama is taking his fiscal cliff plan to the people. will republicans buckle under public pressure? msnbc's political analyst michael eric dyson and democratic strategist donna gentile-o'donnell will weigh in on that tonight. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern virginia whose taxes will go up more than $4,000 in 2013 if middle class tax cuts aren't extended. >> i'm encouraged to see that there's been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i've indicated, the only way to get the kind of revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're also modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> the concerted
obama is taking his fiscal cliff plan to the people. will republicans buckle under public pressure? msnbc's political analyst michael eric dyson and democratic strategist donna gentile-o'donnell will weigh in on that tonight. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern...
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. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort of understands what the contours of the deal are going to look like. and what i see is john boehner trying to sort of protect his caucus at this point because he probably understands that at the end of the day, that top rate is going to go up. and republicans are in a really awkward position because right now essentially they're just defending the tax cut for the top 2%. at the same time, the white house's public posture is to say well, no, we don't want to go over the fiscal cliff because you don't want to send that message to the markets. but then behind the scenes you sort of get the feeling they'd be willing to do it and they'd be okay at least
. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort of understands what the contours of the...
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if we got the fiscal cliff. gerri: withhe dense cuts come if we do over the cliff, it will cost $100 million or over that? >> 137 million. gerri: would this put you into the red? >> it certainly could. we are still looking at obama's health care plan and what it will do to the sta budget. the federal strings are tied. i asked the president about this. the federal funds that come down to the state as you may cuts -- we can still have the strength attached to it. it doesn't give leeway to meet your unique circumstances in our state. we are all different. different budgets,ifferent employment rates, different constitutions, different laws. different styles of living and means within our budget. give us some flexibility. gerri: i expect you to be a little bit more upbeat about the fiscal cliff, but i have to tell you, you sound like a lot of people in washington today. concerns over whether these leaders can get together and find common ground and resolve this issue. it would be meaningful to stay like yours. govern
if we got the fiscal cliff. gerri: withhe dense cuts come if we do over the cliff, it will cost $100 million or over that? >> 137 million. gerri: would this put you into the red? >> it certainly could. we are still looking at obama's health care plan and what it will do to the sta budget. the federal strings are tied. i asked the president about this. the federal funds that come down to the state as you may cuts -- we can still have the strength attached to it. it doesn't give...
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it wast( the prefiscal cliff or fiscal cliff 1.0 #. the 2001 tax cuts about to expire. senator reid on the floor, the democrats did not want to extend all tax cuts, just some of the tax cuts, and he was trying to create an impression that, at the time, that republicans were obstructing the process and what the democrats wanted to do, but in reallots what reid was trying to do, i believe, was set the agenda and create an environment so that he could win politically and set up after the quote, a rare weekend session in the senate where he had two votes, no republican amendments allowed, and he set this up to show that republicans were obstructionists, and that they would not go along with what he said was good for the country, and this was a public relations ploy designed to shift attention from the democrats inability to come along with what republicans wanted to do, which is fine, their prerogative k to republicans saying we don't want to go along with what the democratsment to do. in short, he was seeking to control the agenda, and i think that's the real issue here. c
it wast( the prefiscal cliff or fiscal cliff 1.0 #. the 2001 tax cuts about to expire. senator reid on the floor, the democrats did not want to extend all tax cuts, just some of the tax cuts, and he was trying to create an impression that, at the time, that republicans were obstructing the process and what the democrats wanted to do, but in reallots what reid was trying to do, i believe, was set the agenda and create an environment so that he could win politically and set up after the quote, a...
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because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from washington is msnbc own historian the great chris matthews, the host of "hardball" and the author of quk jack kent, elusive hero," available now. highways t that's the advertising over. we learned the menu including white turkey chili and no humble pie after all. >> no dessert at all. i wondered about that double helping of poultry. what a strange meal. the turkey and then the chicken part. it's a strange meal. must have been dietary rules. i don't think that's a natural decision by the chef. strange meal. >> how do you think the meeting went though in truth? >> i think it's been screwed up because mr. romney, the
because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from...
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take a look. >> what is the fiscal cliff? >> we're from new mexico out here to clean up. >> no idea. >> the cliff? how tall is it? >> i have no idea. >> where is it? >> can i google it? >> bad news. it's bad news. fiscal cliff. >>> end of the world, apparently, right. >> if you wanted to take one of these cliff bars, if you wanted to take one that tasted like the fiscal cliff. >> which one would you choose and why? the one that tastes like crap. >> we're all going to fall off the face of the earth. >> they need to fix it. that's what they're paid for. >> what happens if they don't? >> we're going to lose some money. >> it reminds me of something i learned in school, i'm going to guess some like of cliff, avalanche. >> how tall is it? >> i'd say at least like 370 some feet. >> i don't know. it sounds like something disgusting to eat or something. >> you heard of it? >> it's part of our economy going choooooooo. >> i'm pretty sure we don't have a fiscal cliff. >> we fell off of it. >> yes, we did. >> is it a dangerous cliff? >>
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this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithne
this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the...
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but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes and get rid of some deductions, but when it comes to big issues, which is paring back spending, what are they proposing? over the weekend, mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, he offered a few nuggets and i would like to get your thoughts. he said increase the medicare eligibility age, ask wealthier americans to pay higher medicare premiums. and possibly paring back the cost of living increases, giving to social security beneficiaries. those are three specific so we have heard so far from the gop side. what are your thoughts on that? >> i think that is
but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes...
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geithner announces he wants to go over the fiscal cliff. they have to understand the person they are negotiating with he views it more through ideology than the economy. in his view, it's the equivalent of a grain of sand on the beach. even if he gets what he wants wishes is to raise the top rates from 35% to 39.6%, the revenues would merely fund this governor for roughly 8 days. it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than not to raise tax rates. so obama pushing higher taxes on the top 2%, not for economic reasons but for i'd logical reasons but there is also this obvious fact. obama wants to raise the top rates for political reasons. now that is he wants to force republicans to raise tacks in order to trigger a civil war within the gop and the conservative movement, and in that respect sadly obama is having some success. now so long as this debate is focused not on cutting spending but on raising daxs and revenues with the only question
geithner announces he wants to go over the fiscal cliff. they have to understand the person they are negotiating with he views it more through ideology than the economy. in his view, it's the equivalent of a grain of sand on the beach. even if he gets what he wants wishes is to raise the top rates from 35% to 39.6%, the revenues would merely fund this governor for roughly 8 days. it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would...
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that being said, before we talk about fiscal cliff, we'll get because the last fiscal cliff. we had another fiscal cliff types of new with the debt limit to create a center that led to this ridiculous idea that i voted against that let's put a bunch of bad things to happen at one time because that will force washington to do something. surprise, it didn't work. here we are again. so we have to issues. number one is an immediate term to avoid doing damage. that's to avoid doing harm. so we need to look for a way to accomplish that in the short term. then we have had a conversation about getting the fiscal house in order it's just fundamentally true. we spend a trillion dollars a year more than we take in to assist attack. i approached this issue that the only way we can get that in order is to rapid economic growth. there's no taxes to raise. what the presidential post does not raise enough revenue, but it will make a dent on job creation, particularly middle-class job creation. so that's why i oppose this blanket instead i think we should do real tax reform. if there are loop
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congress designed the fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st of the year. >> kicking the can, you look at markets today. you have global markets up. stock futures are up. the stock market was up yesterday because this whole idea of optimism from john boehner and the president that this could get done by the end of the year is something the world wants to see. you look at our polling. our polling shows, and the most recent poll from abc news/"washington post," 60% of people support raising tacks on incomes over $250,000 per year. isn't the argument of kicking the can down the road losing so
congress designed the fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st...
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>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal reserve is drunk. while back the fed is distorting the bond work it. dagen: does it make sense that the fed is likely to continue the bond buying into the next year? does that make any sense on the planet? >> well, look, i thought qe1 was absolutely essential. qe2 i understood why we did it. qe3, i do not get it. i think the fed is making a mistake here. they could have achieved the same or even a better objective by following a different policy. this is the path we are on. doctor bernanke is obviously completely preoccupied with the risks of having a depression and he is throwing as much mon
>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal...
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from going over the fiscal cliff. staff and speaker john boehner's office telling fox business the lines of communication open, but it's an empty house in washington. look at these pictures. house members on their long weekend break, and the senate is out until monday, but not before working out logistics for a big event. a private screening of steven spielberg's lincoln at the capital. now, harry reid using his time to take a special waiver to allow unbuttered popcorn in the auditorium. that's what passes for work these days. the president's holding another campaign style event as the middle class families, and with more, michael burgess of texas. congressman, great to have you object show again. >> great to be with you, thank you. gerri: everything's hanging in the banse, economy, middle class income, taxes, you name it, and you and your fellow house members are not going to work. >> well, wait, this is a 24-hour day job, seven days a week. i'm in new york tomorrow looking at the hospitals affected in hurricane sand
from going over the fiscal cliff. staff and speaker john boehner's office telling fox business the lines of communication open, but it's an empty house in washington. look at these pictures. house members on their long weekend break, and the senate is out until monday, but not before working out logistics for a big event. a private screening of steven spielberg's lincoln at the capital. now, harry reid using his time to take a special waiver to allow unbuttered popcorn in the auditorium. that's...
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president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone no
president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not...
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so that will put him front and center in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings. important, nonetheless, because these are face-to-face meetings with principle players, timothy guide next the treasury secretary, tapped by the president to be the point person to spearhead the negotiations with congress over these fiscal cliff negotiations. we had had a brief shot of him arriving this morning as he was coming into the capitol. he's being joined by rob neighbors, the white house liaison to congress. he's a man that has long standing relationships with folks on capitol hill. series of meetings, all individual meetings, senator reid, told by my colleagu
so that will put him front and center in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings....
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fiscal cliff, no fiscal cliff, that will be good for gold. investors will look for a safe haven and alternative to the u.s. dollar and they will be buying these assets. kind of a word of advise. ashley: interesting. tracy: sandy, while you were at the cme last week you said guys were saying 95 to $100 on oil. that is the consensus all around. >> keep watching that guy. we're near 90 bucks again. tracy: thank you, sandra. >> thank you. ashley: investors watching the latest developments on the fiscal cliff plus new taak that the fed, guess what, will continue its bond buying programs next year. for more on the markets, i'm joined by bob pavlick, chief market strategist at banyon partners. bob, thanks so much for being here. let's get to the fed issue here. so what is what i say. they will expand or continue the program of buying assets. what impact will this have if any? >> operation twist what they call it. sell short paper and buy long term bonds in order, in an effort to try to continue to keep long-term interest rates low. really what it is
fiscal cliff, no fiscal cliff, that will be good for gold. investors will look for a safe haven and alternative to the u.s. dollar and they will be buying these assets. kind of a word of advise. ashley: interesting. tracy: sandy, while you were at the cme last week you said guys were saying 95 to $100 on oil. that is the consensus all around. >> keep watching that guy. we're near 90 bucks again. tracy: thank you, sandra. >> thank you. ashley: investors watching the latest...
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following the latest on the fiscal cliff fiasco. congress is facing the issue of the fiscal cliff and other tough economic decisions. why did just today republican leadership cancel tomorrow's session allowing the house to leave town with three days left on the legislative calendar? i'll talk with two democratic members of congress just and allyson schwartz and john yarmuth. i'll talk to roger simon. he has a scathing new column out on republicans. roger says, quote, listen to this, republicans have found their stab in the back. it was the minorities what done them in. that's what he wrote. we'll ask him about it. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car repla
following the latest on the fiscal cliff fiasco. congress is facing the issue of the fiscal cliff and other tough economic decisions. why did just today republican leadership cancel tomorrow's session allowing the house to leave town with three days left on the legislative calendar? i'll talk with two democratic members of congress just and allyson schwartz and john yarmuth. i'll talk to roger simon. he has a scathing new column out on republicans. roger says, quote, listen to this, republicans...
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. >>> breaking news on the fiscal cliff. the gop saying they will agree to more tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road for detroit. one state senator's plan to dissolve the city. he is your guest. happy friday, everybody. mandy will be back on monday. i'm brian sullivan. thank you very much for joining us. >>> stocks relatively in a holding pattern again all ahead of the fiscal cliff. we're not seeing big moves. people unwilling to take bets. we're going to get to bob pisani in just a minute. >>> but first we need to get to eamon javers with some breaking headlines from mitch mcconnell on the fiscal cliff. eamon? >> brian, we're getting a trial balloon here just within the past couple of m
. >>> breaking news on the fiscal cliff. the gop saying they will agree to more tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road...
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>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were on the ballot in the same election? strom thurmond, of course, and the longest serving junior senator perhaps in the history of america, fritz hollings. senator thurmond won re-election and hollings, the form earp governor at the time, won a special to fill a seat left empty when johnston died. we'll be right back. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's no
>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were...
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yep, this is how one man sees the fiscal cliff and it's a pretty important man. this is alan simpson. ♪ yep. that maybe the most action the fiscal cliff saw today. here's the scene on capitol hill at noon. yep, people leaving. members of congress leaving washington, heading home on wednesday afternoon. one man left standing was the house speaker and he says i'm not going anywhere. >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> but of course, it takes two to tango, so where does president obama stand? >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. >> it's not that tough. he's absolutely right about that. but we heard early this evening that the president and speaker boehner did speak late today on the phone, so that's good news, but in this case, they need face time. they need to spend real time face to face. even democrats think the president needs to do more in person work on this. >> the president is not somebody who he's prioritizing evenings with his famil
yep, this is how one man sees the fiscal cliff and it's a pretty important man. this is alan simpson. ♪ yep. that maybe the most action the fiscal cliff saw today. here's the scene on capitol hill at noon. yep, people leaving. members of congress leaving washington, heading home on wednesday afternoon. one man left standing was the house speaker and he says i'm not going anywhere. >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about...
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that's part of the reason we want to avoid the fiscal cliff. it's actually too much deficit reduck sln too quickly in the wrong parts of the budget. you want a more thoughtful, thought out plan. on your point about the debt ceiling, we what we need is to have certainty, know where we're headed. not have multiple showdowns but the debt ceiling is only going to be increased significantly if it goes hand in hand with a big enough deal which has real changes in the budget. so the best thing we could do is put in place a balanced plan deals with all parts of the budget and really provides the kind of sense of security that households, small businesses, everybody needs to know so we can start planning for the economy and hopefully getting things growing back again. one of the things you see is that when your debt levels are as high as they are, in this country right now, that's a tamp on economic growth and can harm growth. that's the point we're at. we know that part of a growth strategy will have to be getting control of these deficits and debt and
that's part of the reason we want to avoid the fiscal cliff. it's actually too much deficit reduck sln too quickly in the wrong parts of the budget. you want a more thoughtful, thought out plan. on your point about the debt ceiling, we what we need is to have certainty, know where we're headed. not have multiple showdowns but the debt ceiling is only going to be increased significantly if it goes hand in hand with a big enough deal which has real changes in the budget. so the best thing we...